Sacred Sex: Tantra to Magick

Comment by Filius Lux Lucius on September 25, 2011 at 6:11pm

This is actually really true. I can't think of a better way to use it.

Comment by EL*CHI*MA on October 1, 2011 at 7:29pm

Oh Dear ! Straight out of the glossies! This girl is reading the cnn news to us?? No where is the TIBETAN TANTRA not mentioned once !!! Aliester Crowley??? what would she know?? No mention that crowley was taugh TIBETAN TANTRA by an american Tibetan Buddhist monk when he was on a mountain climbing expo. It was this TIBETAN teacing that he brought back and embodied as his own yoga/tantra tradition. The term " Sex Magic" is idiotic.

Comment by EL*CHI*MA on October 1, 2011 at 7:30pm

Oh, soory, that tibetan monks name was Allen Bennett.

Comment by D.A.L.A.M.A.R. on October 2, 2011 at 2:08am

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Yepp,

ironically crowley sent him to India for his health and to spread the Law of Thelema and he stayed and became a buddhist monks and practiced Vajrayana Tantra. Which he later on could have taught to Crowley. I also agree about the term Sexmagic,I think that the Problem with the West is, all of the Tantras is brought down to Sex. In one way The west damned Crowley( which did a great job in being a Tantricmaster, and try to relate those teachings to the Christian Model and his wrathfull teaching are great in the Kontext of the tibetan Vajrayana teachings even if he try to embodied those Tibetian teachings he get on the expo as he was in Nepal which is a good place to get those teachings or it was given from Bennett as his own)( i always thought he was an Theravada monk in india or Ceylon following the oath of Pratimoksha ;-) and just study the vajrayana teachings[ but I don´t want to argue about it, as it isn´t that Importend] and on the other Hand they missused for their own Satisfaction of Sexuality needs. So Sex sells.:-(

I´d like to share a little additonal info 

In the buddhist teachings are  made three divisions

1. The Hinayana -- the so called lesser Vehicle,Known as Theravada buddhism in the west as thaught by buddhas first turn of the Wheel of Dharma. it mostly teached in India Ceylon ect.as it common know by the People as buddhism to Create an Eyepractice for Monks and laypractitioners. Taught definitly by Benett to Crowley
2. The Mahayana teachings the so called Higher vehicle which expand the Theravada from working to be enlightenment to working to help all sentient beings to become enlightenment before one self do it. As taught by buddhas second turning of the wheel of dharma for those who are able to become Bhodisattvas
3. The Vajrayana the so called undestructible Vehicle as taught by Buddha by the third turning of the wheel of dharma here you find all the Tantric teaching brought from India to tibet in the 8 century by Padmasambhava, those are the  Highest teaching to be enlightenment in this very one Lifetime. This was the Heartteachings of the Buddha but taught only to the "Gods" and the few who has the capability to see themself as the Buddha. ONLY HERE you´ll find the Tantricreachings of the peace-and wrathfull buddhas the use of sexuality for Unify through destruction of the Ego sex here was used as the LAST Blast so to speak. But in a JOYFULL manner. Could be Benett who taught it to Ccrowley

However the way she speaks( or as you rightly say reads ;-) ) about the use of fluids is quit right, but THIS is the lowest and in my Opinion Darkest way of Using the power of sexuality and has definitly NOTHING to do with the Tantric Path and Goal.

And I understand why  "some"  can´t think of an better way to use it because sometimes it seems that "they" carry to much passenger in his KA, carring to much luggage and never clean up. Beside the fakt that "They" also has NO knowledge of "the rules of the Road to obey"as you say so nice ;-) "they" unfortunately know nothings about this.

So the Jolly jester is gone again....

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Comment by EL*CHI*MA on October 2, 2011 at 3:31am

Very fully explained by D I would just like to add that Vajrayana was also "wedded" to the pre existing BON Magic tradition which was Tibets indiginous religion based on animistic lines.This "wedding" is today known as"Tibetan Tantra" tradition.It is very different from Indian style Hindu or Buddhist techniques.

Comment by D.A.L.A.M.A.R. on October 2, 2011 at 4:04am

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Thanks and you´re right i just wouldn´t go that deep about the Bön tradition and how it was "overcome" or integrated in the buddhist philosophy by Padmasambhave at first and later on after the first destruction of buddhism by Lang dharma the "old Donkey" ;-) and than through the kadam school which later on become the Sarma School(about 11.century wich mostly integrated the "old" school and the böntradition) of the kayüpa, Sakya and gelugpa schools ect.  because it  is a wide field and has not so much to do with that Video.

i had than to talk about the outer and inner tantras you know Kriya-Carya-yoga tantras and the father-Mother and the non dual Anuttaratantra as well and the division into  maha- Anu and Atiyoga( dzogchen) from the nyingmapas that would be take age so i decided to give just this main overview.

but i agree tibetan tantra is very different from The Hindu or the buddhiststyle.

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Comment by Filius Lux Lucius on October 2, 2011 at 9:32pm

Isn't the term "Sex Magick" meant to describe Western practices not eastern? Thats the way I've always learned it.

Comment by Filius Lux Lucius on October 2, 2011 at 9:34pm

Didn't Allen Bennett and Crowley progessively become major oppossing forces?

Comment by EL*CHI*MA on October 2, 2011 at 10:37pm

Yes !!! It describes this debased form of Eastern practice perfectly. My dear young friend are not all creation based apon " major opposing forces " ?

Comment by D.A.L.A.M.A.R. on October 2, 2011 at 11:44pm

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Crowley and Benett  were friends even as Allen lifed in the east. Crowley was the one who made Ritual i Think with buriel to get the money so that Allen might life there because of his Healthproblem. Aleister was a bit upset because Allen benett didn´t proclaim the Law of Thelema in the East,instead he became a monk but in the end he knows that Allen Bennet just did his true will to become a buddhist Monk and he was clever enough to understand what that mean. SO NO they don´t became major opposite force THERE WHERE FRIENDS UNTILS THE END, and crowley learned a lot from bennett.

If you would know the Liber Al vel legis and understand the Idea of true will you would know why your statement is wrong. The Liber Al vel legis IS connectted with the non dual Tantra and has more in common with it as anything else(what is Known in the OPEN) in the Western tradition.(did you read the word sexmagic in it NO.)

But as it mention:

III,63: The fool readeth this Book of the Law, and its comment; & he understandeth it not.

III,64: Let him come through the first ordeal, & it will be to him as silver.

III,65: Through the second, gold.

III,66: Through the third, stones of precious water.

III,67: Through the fourth, ultimate sparks of the intimate fire.

III,68: Yet to all it shall seem beautiful. Its enemies who say not so, are mere liar.

As the old Agypt used tantric methodes, do you find the word sexmagic used by the ägypts? NO Even Crowley don´t really used that word as he call his Magic,Not SEXMAGIC But just put the K to it( MagicK)to implikate that the use of sex is involved.If he used it than only for explaining certain things because in his Time the most common people don´t know whats tantra is all about. ( as the most don´t know today)

The word Sexmagic and NOT Sex magicK( because why double it, Sexmagic with sex?)it is use by those who wants to attract the uneducated People to it to make money or to use their Sexual Energys for the purpose of there Order and hide the Origin from the east.

You learned nothing about it as you proof in spelling the word( and showing this Video).to read some Books( or in modern day see some you tube clips)without any knowledge teach you only the wrong side of the coin so to speak.

It is always the same without the Ordeals of Initiation in Life or a real Fraternitas you will NOT get the REAL COOKIE ;-)

Sorry pearl to disappoint you again.

Blessings

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