Dark Side of the Moon

Comment by Simon Davies on October 29, 2009 at 2:17pm

Well to be fair, Buzz punched the guy after he called him a coward and a liar. And according to Bob Dean these astronauts begin to break down and cry like babies and vomit when they start to think about it, which he says is a sign of some hypnotic type manipulation. Apparently Neil Armstrong is the only one they didn't do it to. And as far as he is concerned, if someone is willing to take my word as truth just because I swear on "the bible" then I'm afraid they're in for trouble. If I'm going to lie, then I'll also lie about whether or not I'm going to lie. Placing hands on books is nonsense as far as I'm concerned.

But anyway, according to Richard Hoagland, NASA are the ones who came up with the not landing on the moon "conspiracy theory", they handed out fliers in the mission control room during the mission stating that its all faked. Make up your own conspiracy theory saying they never went to the moon so no one begins to wonder what happened when they actually got there.

Comment by J. Banger on October 29, 2009 at 2:27pm

I don't know, I've heard all of Hoagland's & Dean's stuff out there and those 2 particularly give me a weird vibe. Bob Dean seems like an old fashion story teller around a warm indoor campfire, and Hoagland seems like he was one of the inventors of the words "speculation" & "theory", because he goes off on strange tangents sometimes that even I can't swallow as a good possibility. Hoagland's latest 3 part, 35min presentation video out there about Saturn is interesting. He insinuates that some of Saturn's rings are intelligently constructed to turn Saturn into a massive EM generator of some kind. I know something is definitely going on with Saturn, what exactly that is I'm still investigating.

If someone calls me a liar or a coward, I would probably strike back in anger if it holds some truth. Neil was also offered what, $3000 along with the Bible thing? He was offered to give it to any charity, so regardless of the meaningless Bible swearing performance, refusing the money, and his obvious nervousness & shaking when facing someone apparently confident of his truth, I get the vibe that Neil is guilty as Hell about something. Just my poker sense about him.

Comment by Simon Davies on October 29, 2009 at 3:11pm

I like Bob Dean but I do find something strange about Hoagland. I assume you've watched Dean's Awake And Aware presentation where he mentions that they may be mining the rings of Saturn for minerals rather than creating them, but who knows. Its all crazy stuff either way lol.

You might have a point regarding your reaction, but personally I wouldn't use that to try and determine what is true. I'm not the kind of person who would strike back, because if I'm telling the truth then not believing me is his problem, and if I'm lying, well yeah, its true. Why would I lash out? If I know I'm lying and someone calls me a liar, that's not going to offend me one bit because I know full well I'm lying. The personal aspect is seperate from the lie for me. The only reason to lash out would be in the panic that he MAY be onto something. But if I remain calm and maintain the same story, he can only try to call my bluff, he can only TRY to make me believe that he knows I'm lying. But the fact of the matter is he can't know. So if I know that, and he knows that, then its not really going to go anywhere or prove anything. In the words of Prabhupada: "Man thinks that all men think like he does." But they don't. As for money, that wouldn't work on me either. The person offering it to me can go and give it to charity himself if he cares that much. And I don't think $5000 is quite enough of a pay off considering the scale of the whole thing ;) Armstrong would probably die of a "heart attack" within a week of accepting it, and the circumstances regarding his death would just become another "conspiracy theory", so the whole thing would be pointless. Its just not worth it as far as I can see. Enough whistleblowers have come forward alread, but who cares? The masses don't pay attention to any of it anyway. The guy must be crazy if he thinks $5000 combined with the probability of being taken out is going to make someone spill the beans over such a huge story with so many implications. Armstrong would need to take some serious measures to protect himself if he's going to drop himself into something like that, and it would need to come out through all the mainstream media channels. Would I risk being killed to gain $5000 so a handful of people on youtube can have some juicy information? The answer is no. The masses just don't care enough to make it worth it. There is already enough information that not only goes ignored, but the people you are trying to help continue to argue against it and insist that the lies are the truth.

Comment by Simon Davies on October 29, 2009 at 3:26pm

In the words of Michael Caine in Too Late The Soldier: "Getting ourselves killed isn't going to make any difference to anybody, except us."

Comment by J. Banger on October 29, 2009 at 3:40pm

Would I risk being killed to gain $5000 so a handful of people on youtube can have some juicy information? The answer is no.

I think u misunderstood what that guy was saying to Neil. All he was asking Neil to do was just repeat the same things he's been saying since 1969, to "swear on the Bible that he walked on the moon." And he would get a free & clear $5000 for just doing that. He wasn't asked to swear that he "didn't" go to the moon.

Maybe you're right about Buzz, I'm just seeing that whole thing from my own perspective. Buzz & Neil have a lot at stake when it comes to Nat'l security, which makes anyone extra nervous and emotional.

Comment by Simon Davies on October 29, 2009 at 3:48pm

"All he was asking Neil to do was just repeat the same things he's been saying since 1969, to "swear on the Bible that he walked on the moon.""

Well in that case I don't see what the problem is either way. I mean, there's no reason why Armstrong shouldn't do it, and there's no reason why someone should want him to do it. Bit of a pointless thing all round :¬/

Comment by J. Banger on October 29, 2009 at 3:51pm

Bart seems to believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that Neil did not walk on the moon personally. When Neil is confronting abruptly without preparation 'emotionally' he shows signs of obvious nervousness and fear. The only 2 truths are he walked on the moon, or he didn't, and Neil should have nothing to be nervous about or fear if it's just as simple as that admission of fact.

I posted an Apollo 11 video earlier today u might want to check out concerning where Neil Armstrong was the day he supposedly walked on the moon.

Comment by Simon Davies on October 29, 2009 at 4:16pm

Aye you might have a point there. But I dunno. To remain neutral, maybe Armstrong has personal issues or psychological traits that make him nervous in situations like whether the accusations be true or not. I dunno, I don't know the guy personally and I can't know what he's thinking. I have no doubt that the public character is not the person he is when he's at home, and me being me, I know how people can get false impressions based on what they consider to be "normal". They see other people acting one way, so if this guy happens to do something "strange" in relation to it, then there MUST be something wrong. I strongly disagree with judging people in that way because being far from "normal" myself, I have experienced how people lead themselves to wrong conclusions, and I can guarantee they're wrong because I know me, and they don't. If you see what I mean. Although I'm not trying to defend Armstrong personally, he could be lying for all I know ;)

I'll check out the other video shortly, I'd like to see a bit of George Green and David Wilcock's Awake And Aware presentations first :)

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