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Field vs. holographic
Does anybody have any insight as to the corresponding nature of the Holographic model of reality as coined by David Bohm and Karl Pibram and the Divine matrix? How are they alike and how do they differ if at all? If manifestations are truly holographic at what point do they become tangible and how does one train or I should say "untrain" the mind to see the true invisibility of creation. If all that manifests is a projection of thought then how, while I'm outside walking to my car, do bees buzz in and out of my vision at random appearing to just be minding their own business? Accounts of enlightened humans have told stories of the ability to make a grove of trees disappear and reappear at will and of course the many accounts of telekinesis as well as Inedia ( the phenomenon of people surviving for years without food or water) and the atom, which is now known to be energy and that if looked upon from a distance would seem like a blurry vortex but as it comes into focus becomes invisible . So are our bodies and objects really there and able to be manipulated at will or are they holographic and a more subtle field or dimension of perception?
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Permalink Reply by Mike on -
I once tried an experiment where i read several texts on physics and cosmology and metaphysics at the same time. What i did was read a chapter in each book, think about it and then read a chapter in the next book, and repeated this until I had read a chapter in each book and then repeated. I made sure i read at least one chapter in each book at each sitting.
The result of this experiment was an intuitive sense of wholeness between the subjects Bohm to Teilhard to Sheldrake to Smolin is a path from the external experience to the internal and back again.
My take on the nature of reality is that the probability waves that must collapse to create a reality require an observer but there are trillions of observers and the shared reality is the resolution to all those probability waves, which probably are resolved in a multiverse each universe is probably pseudo-isolated from each other. Mystics, by the power of the enlightened mind can 'see' so much more, and there for 'observe' many events at once. in a sense they become the resolving variable in a larger equation, making it seem they control reality. They simply have a larger share of the vote. -
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Permalink Reply by Vanese Va Voom on -
So then, they would be "observing" several possible outcomes for one event - and for it to seem as if they have control in a reality - would be able to influence which version occurs in the consensus reality?
very interesting
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Permalink Reply by Mike on
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Well they would have a bigger share in the vote anyway, and certainly in a local sense.
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Permalink Reply by Vanese Va Voom on
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There are votes?
I guess that is where I can lost - how the act of "observing" impacts the whole process - in another thread and in a book I am reading - IMAGINING seems to be more "influential" if you will...so the mechanisms of the mind that impact the material - imagination / observation - how does it actually work? -
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Permalink Reply by Jeremiah on -
Both theories in my opinion are of some percentage of truth, where I get confused however is at the point when everything becomes so technical. I don't believe anything as "complicated" (in human terms) as existence could ever be pinpointed to the exact diagram of working parts. I honestly think that the whole thing is quite possibly too simple for us to comprehend. A fun way I like to view reality, creation or existence in general is this thought: Once you realize that everything and I mean Everything is nothing more than theory then life takes a more fulfilling turn because at this point you shed any dogma about reality and offer yourself to the endless possibility of what truly is. Pinpointing reality is like trying to capture an emotional state perfectly in say.. a journal. You will find that you can never truly write down that emotion because the present moment and your present emotion are constantly evolving. Yes you may think that you are sad... but at what level of sadness? and how sad can you actually describe yourself to be without the changing of that exact emotional state happening right in front of you? To me... figuring out the answer to the "riddle" is a waste of time. Living and learning and implementing a way to live in truth and love, and maintaining a balance with all life, while trying to become aware that I am an integral part of this beautiful masterpiece that we call reality is the only point to life.... in my opinion. Whether holographic or not... I believe that our disassociation with everything from nature to ourselves has come from fragmenting and categorizing everything that we come across. Nothing is Whole anymore... it's all presented in parts. Once we accept that everything is connected and nothing more than a slightly distorted reflection of itself.. our reality will truly become blissfully enlightened.
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Permalink Reply by Vanese Va Voom on
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LOL!!!!!! Your questions above are so scientific : ) and now you through them all out!!! : )
Look, for me the mind is so limited in figuring this out...my heart seems closer - but their are some threads here that I think are getting really close to the heart of the matter - no pun intended- have a look at Daniels Blog...then the new Imagination group...then the videos by Nassim...it seems it all has something to do with Imagination / Observation / the dot, and the all As Above, so below...but... if this is a problem to figure out..."Problems," according to Einstein, "Cannot be solved at the same level of consciousness that created them." So we are kinda screwed LOL!!!!!!! -
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Permalink Reply by Vanese Va Voom on
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Thanks for the thread though - I am enjoying it : )
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Permalink Reply by Vanese Va Voom on
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http://www.thegreatnetwork.com/video/mastering-the-grand-illusion
Hey Guys
Just saw this video - at the end it deals with "All the Possibilities" that we are kind of discussing here - and why the new energy no longer supports that...it is long, but very interesting : ) -
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Permalink Reply by Mike on
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I think some of what we are talking about is related to the difference between phenomenon and meaning. There are lots of things happening all around us everyday that we do not notice. Many of these things are well within our sensory field, but they have no meaning to us. They happen, others can see them, measure them, but because they have no meaning to us they do not exist in our reality. I feel/think that opening our minds to experience, outside of meaning, reveals a wider world and almost magical world. We can also choose to assign meaning to our sensory impressions, and sometimes this is a powerful tool that can bring extraordinary wonder to our lives, but it can also bring delusion and pathology as a projection of ego.
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Permalink Reply by Jeremiah on
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I understand many of your points.. and clearly it is a possibility.. The collective consciousness, or Vladimir Verdansky's Noosphere is something that I've always felt true in existence. However I feel your's to be too absolute in theory. I have experienced and felt too many things to believe any of this can be explained at all or in an absolute perspective. To me the absolute closes too many doors and leaves many unopened.. Say your perspective, which I respect of course, is accurate to a certain degree.. and the movies or entertainment in general is being used as a tool to generate a certain reality that the powers that be wish to either control or sustain or both.. Then that would explain the movies recently made such as Eagle eye, Deja Vu etc.. but what I seem to notice more often are the movies about the end of the world.. and even the tv shows on the history and discovery channel.. Life after people, Megadisasters, Armageddon week on the history channel, the movies Deep impact, Armageddon and the upcoming 2012, Survival shows like the Survivorman, and Man vs. wild, Nostradamus 2012, The bible code 1 & 2. I could go on for a while.. So if your theory is correct then it would seem that we are being "hijacked" to ensure or manifest our own demise.. Now I would like to offer another point of view taking part of your theory.. What if the collective consciousness is manifesting this on account of the percentage of thoughts of peril and destruction by so many people... as possibly a deep but consciously awakening energy that gives humanity the ability to know or prepare itself for future events.. and the collective is using the media as a tool to prepare itself for it... make any sense? Just theory of course.. but I would ask you also if you think that there would be any of the "powers that be" wanting humanity to manifest a reality in which it's destruction was ensured? I think we might be on to something here..
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Permalink Reply by Jeremiah on
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I must clarify that I wasn't trying to get into a debate with you at all or go to battle.. I apologize if my context made you think so.. Your post intrigued me because it reflected the way I feel a lot of the time.. especially with recent events in the world and learning more and more about the so called "illuminati" I still am undecided as to wether or not I believe that all of this is true.. if it is.. it is quite a hard pill to swallow.. but in our own perception lies the answers.. I do agree with you about the time and money being spent on forecasting future events and the attempts being made to see into the collective as a whole.. The web bot phenomenon still makes me wonder just what is really going on at the heart of all things.. but then I wonder is it all worth figuring out really? I must say that I'm very interested in your perspective and I would like to keep this dialogue going.. Thank you Daniel.. feel free to send me an email if you would rather continue this discussion in private..
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