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Space Time
This is a topic that has been bouncing around in my head the last few weeks so I thought I'd share and see what you all thought about it.
As we know the Human concept of time is based on the movement of heavenly bodies. Specifically the movement of the Earth around the Sun. What I've been pondering is what is time outside of our Solar System? How would our aging process be effected if we were not subject to the movements of our planet. Do we grow old if there are no days to count? Do our bodies deteriorate if there is no gravitational factor? Your thoughts?
Nathan 32°
As we know the Human concept of time is based on the movement of heavenly bodies. Specifically the movement of the Earth around the Sun. What I've been pondering is what is time outside of our Solar System? How would our aging process be effected if we were not subject to the movements of our planet. Do we grow old if there are no days to count? Do our bodies deteriorate if there is no gravitational factor? Your thoughts?
Nathan 32°
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Permalink Reply by John Michael Greer on -
Hmm. There are plenty of heavenly bodies moving outside the solar system -- if nothing else, the turning of the Milky Way and the regular pulsations of variable stars and pulsars keep the beat. In a way, you're asking if time stops passing if there's no clock in sight!
As for weightlessness, it's actually very hard on human and animal bodies; there's quite a bit of calcium loss from the bones, and a variety of other physiological changes, most of them negative.
Sorry to rain on your parade!
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Permalink Reply by Nathan 32° on -
Rain as you will, my friend. I do need to be brought back down to earth from time to time...just don't expect me to stay there very long!
You make a good point. There is much more in motion than our solar system. I can see how this would "keep the beat" as you say. As for time stopping when there is no clock to be see, your right that does seem a bit insane, but consider how time is effected on a personal level. The old "time flies when your having fun". It seems that in periods of joy time passes more quickly for an individual, and in turn, feels slower when we are "watching the clock". I think that attention to time or keeping the clock in sight has some effect on how time effects us mentally and perhaps physically. Perhaps having a lot of periods where time seems to pass very slowly would age a body prematurely. Two men of the same age often appear to be years apart due, in part, to their individual lives. Time may not stop with no clock to see but it may speed up or slow down conceptually. The idea would be that slow time, or negativity, ages us in a sense. Where as fast time in periods of joy allow us to move into the future with less strain on the mind and body. Thoughts?
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Permalink Reply by scorpress on -
Staring at an angry face for five seconds feels longer than staring at a neutral one. The brain can reverse, speed, slow time and even changes second-to-second perception of time. Time is elastic, we backdate our mental time line every time we move our eyes. We manufacture the illusion of a seamless flow of reality.
Then again if we're talking about our nervous system percieving time, we are already limited by our perception of reality. And if you change your perception of reality to account for the fact that an object is only there when you are looking for it, then time only exists because you think it does.
Time isn't linear, the past present and future are all happenning now. Deja'vu? Has this happenned already? I just created it, which means it already happenned? Or am I constantly manifesting every moment?
Agreeing with the matrix, seeing my chair as a chair or breaking it down into light particles and symbolic code than densifies matter in a 3rd dimensional world no matter how you see it, it is only what you think it is.
That is why I am a superhero and creator of life....affirmations...manifesting reality....all in a days work...
There I go with that time thing again. I should be shipped off to the psych hospital any time now, where I can manifest with all the other souls trapped inside their dangerously dreaming minds......
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Permalink Reply by Jenn on -
...time only exists because you think it does.... Very true, it's possible to see how we lose energy to this perception, which affects our aging process. Our response to an angry face indicates fear removing us from the present, including the awareness of our physical manifestation...anticipation can also entangle this energy with a percieved future, instead of serving us now.
Maybe Deja'vu are brief periods where we percieve nothing, except for reality as it is? (not deeply, but possible for every person to achieve without effort)
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...it could seem we've experienced it previously, because deeply we are aware of the experience...prior to the brains perception...
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Permalink Reply by BillVee on -
Interesting questions. Scorpress brings up good points about perception of reality vs. reality. My perception of reality from moment to moment is vastly different than, for example, someone hanging onto the edge of a 100 foot cliff by their fingers, etc... time is very relative for us mortals. However, there is an objective timeline moving forward, obviously, or we wouldn't be able to even define the past as the past, would we? If there are different times flowing backward and forward and at varying rates, we are only able to be on one track at a time, and in this human life it is (as far as I know) forward in time. Fred Alan Wolf has written a book about this very subject about the Yoga of Time Travel. I haven't read the book, but have heard him lecture about it. Interesting, yet I don't quite understand how it can supposedly work in the human realm and not the quantum realm.
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Permalink Reply by J. Banger on -
Our realities are what we perceive them to be, so is what we call "truth". Earth is heavily controlled as are it's residents, both mentally and physically. Going outside of Earth's atmosphere into the vacuum of space does have a serious impact on our perceptions, unfortunately, none of us have experienced that, yet.
This is a planet full of "gods in amnesia" who "think" they are aging, therefor they are, some faster than others. Look at all placebo studies, a good 10-30% plus individuals who take the placebo still have the desired affect. How else can this be explained except by the true power of thought? Until the influence over us thru frequency/vibration manipulation ends, we are willing prisoners of this system, until we can unplug and tune out these things, we are bound by 3rd dimensional rules. =)
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Permalink Reply by Ash on -
I would have to agree with scorpress. Past, present, and future are all now.
The concept of time is man made. Our views of reality are all skewed due to our fleshy forms. By being made of flesh and blood we are limited by our biological functions, every sense we have is dulled down. We as humans have the need for time in our physical forms we need rest, we grow old, we need schedules... it takes so long to get from "point A" to "point B" when constrained by physical matter.
We also live in a society that is dictated by technology. The further we advance in science to give us more time,
( ie. A microwave to cook faster.) the more we are to accomplish other tasks during the day. Where as it took 2 hours to fully prepare a meal, it now takes 20 minutes. To write a letter, send it to a friend, and receive a response once took days to weeks. These days we can write back and fourth to one and other in mere seconds. Time its self changes from one advancement to another. Yet still most of us don't have the time to get as much done in a day as we would like.
In that manner time alone would seem to change elsewhere in our solar system depending on everything that was to be done, depending of the cycles of lightness and darkness that we are accustom to, depending how much rest was needed to support our bodies in such a place, as well as as stated previously our current emotional standing.
As far as time perception goes, if anyone here is from the mid-west? With our dramatic season changes, (I'm from Wisconsin mind you) how does time seem to change season to season? Winter to summer, spring to fall?
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Permalink Reply by Norm on -
Someone above said that time is made made, and this is correct. I am not sure if the universe knows of time in the way we think of it. It does what it does with out the care of how long it takes, Maybe would not age in the way we think.
Break the code of time. It’s time to move beyond to another level of self awareness. Dress as you wish. Sense what you deserve. Connect with your intuitive ambitions. Cherish your body and mind, and control them with fun. You are smart. You are imminent. You are the One.
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Permalink Reply by Lara Compton on -
hmmm indeed!
I don't buy the AGEING associated with TIME crap, in truth.
Sorry!
What is TIME? It's now. It's nothing more. It allows us to use words like: parallel, multi-dimensional, lateral, travel. It never runs out cos it's not going anywhere.. It's all we have... NOW. It has no future, no past. Only the PRESENT.
Now, if we look at AGEING. This is a physical process within our vehicle, the BODY. Now, in most people the MIND rules AGEING.
For example... we are told that we age as we get older and get wrinkles and deteriorate,... but do we? DO WE REALLY AGE?
If we told our minds to tell our bodies that we get healthier and younger then would we age? If TIME doesn't exist other than in the NOW then what causes us to age? Our cells rejuvenate every month so where's the ageing. AGE=HABIT=DEATH.
We are told everywhere that we die between 70-90 years old. That a year is 365 days. That ageing is natural.
What a load of bullshit!
It's an interesting thing to think about and i will return once my house is quiet and my mind can focus properly on the concept of time and age.
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Permalink Reply by William John Meegan on -
Actually time is not man made. it is divinely inspired by the already clock-made universe. Man only immitates that precision.
Would people age outside of the known stellar universe as if he was in a blank void???
Yes, man would age simply because there is no space without time nor is there time without space. Movement denotes time and without space movement is impossible. Likewise without time space could not unfold to allow for the possibility of movement.
If you think about it your entire world is based upon the evidence of the five senses. Just thing about the turning off of all your senses. How would you know you even exist? Without the senses to teach you - you would not even be able to articulate your existence. You would simply be a blank mind.
There was an article in the Post Standard here in Syracuse, New York, which I quoted in one of my books. It was about an autistic boy that learn to express himself through poetry. He says that he did not know that he could see and hear at the same time until he grasp the concept from people that could. He would turn off sight in order to hear or vice versa.
If one was somehow stuck in the void of space without the stellar universe to reference himself he would go into a state of sense deprevation but he would still age.
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Permalink Reply by Tony Hogan on -
The only time value which I know of when vacating the body and traveling on craft in inner space is a ratio of 8:1
for every hour we are gone from our body it equals 8 hours elsewhere
I assume that is only relative to one area of space as the cosmos is so massive there would be so many possibilities
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