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DREAMS: What is their inherent nature???

For years I have asked myself this question concerning dreams. I do not believe that we actually are [what we call] DREAMING when we are sleeping. This may well be a misnomer: dreaming may well be the state of remembering upon awakening what the unconscious mind has to say to the conscious mind. I know that the 'rapid eye movement or R.E.M.-state' would indicate otherwise. I understand that the mind continues to function when sleeping but the pictorial representation that we remember upon awakening seems to me to be just that: a recollection of the unconcious content being manifested to the conscious mind. It does not become conscious until we try to interpret the 'message' upon awakening. The passage of time that takes place in the so-dream would be because it takes time for the conscious mind to process it.

Consider the following theory concerning what we call dreams. The unconscious mind has a missive for the conscious mind: we call this missive a dream. Why would such a missive take the unconscious mind, which knows no such thing as the passage of time, time to convey its missive??? When we go into deep sleep or the REM-state it may well be that the missive is sent to the conscious mind but is placed into a holding pattern: a buffer zone until the conscious mind awakens to receive and process the message.

What got me thinking along these lines is Carl G. Jung works on dreams. He saw them as compensations to the conscious mind. If, therefore, the unconscious mind already knew what it was going to say, from a compensation point of view, why would it need the passage of time to convey that missive??? Why would not the unconscious mind 'core-dump' [computer terminology] its data into a holding pattern similiar to how a printer holds data in its buffer until you turn it on to print it out??? Admittedly the conscious mind would be inundated with reams of data from such a core-dump but does this not happen everytime we return from a nightly trek into the unconsious mind???

WHAT DO YOU THINK???

P.S. It also should be considered, when contemplating the above theory on dream, how the unconscious mind can interfere with the awakened state of an individual if it thinks the conscious state is workig against its own interest. C.G. Jung talks about this extensively in his work.

I actually experienced this phenomenom for myself. I was trying to convey information to someone, about events that had taken place concerning myself, when all of a sudden a door in my mind clicked [an audible sound only to myself] and I was struck dumb for a few minutes where I could not speak or express myself in any manner. I would later, as time past, see the wisdom of the unconscious mind silencing me but notice that it did not need the passage of time to interfere with my awakened state. It spontaneously and instantaneously acted in my interest.

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Permalink Reply by J. Banger on August 24, 2009 at 1:01pm

I wish I knew what dreams were really all about. Last night I had a vivid dream about Lucifer. He looked like the character from the movie LEGEND, an 80s movie starring Tom Cruise & Tim Curry. I was trying to rescue a few friends who were caught by security in this hotel/palace of some kind in Europe, Lucifer was having a gathering underground. I hope these dreams aren't dormant memories!

One time last year, my gf and I woke up and as she was getting out of the bed we 'both' heard a voice say, "Where do u think u are going?" She turned to me and said, "What did u say?" I told her that wasn't me but I heard it too. The voice was coming from in between us it sounded like, it was within 30 seconds of waking up so I figured it was just residual parts of a dream, but we both heard this voice. Can anyone tell me what this phenomenon was? It was real and I can't explain it away rationally.

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Permalink Reply by William John Meegan on August 24, 2009 at 1:54pm

Yes, there may be an answer to your query concerning the message "Where do u think u are going?". Years ago I when I first was starting out in my quest to understand God and life I was very frustrated with the lack of progress: comprehension in my studies in these areas and I would say a I was a little depressed. I was laying on my bed (and there was no one else in the room) when all of a sudden I heard one word very clearly "WAIT".

But for another person to have been in the room and heard it is similiar to mass hysteria where (I am not implying that there was hysteria in your case because all indication are there wasn't any) everyone see flying saucers at the same time or they see the Virgin Mary in France. There have been cases where more than one person saw the same ghost/spirit at the same time. These things I speak of here are directly from one's own unconscious mind. From your account I can not say whom's unconscious mind the message came from: yours or your girl friend's. However, it could well be a spontaneous message from both your psyche's simultaneously. Are you soul mates? And is this what both your unconscious minds are asking simultaneously in this message if for some reason the two of you parted company??? There may well be a larger question being asked here. It could be referring to both of your life's tasks. Especially if you have no firm direction as how to proceed in life. It could mean all or none of these things. Just something to think about.

In fact Carl G. Jung talks in his autobiogrophy: Memories, Dreams and Reflections of Sigmund Freud visiting him one day in his study at home and the conversation got around into the occult, which Freud did not believe in when all of a sudden there was a loud bang in the other room. Freud immediately commented on it and Jung spontaneously said there would be another such occurrence in a short while. Sure enough the second loud bang took place and they both went into the next room to investigate (there was no one else in the house at the time) and they found a spoon broken into three parts with perfect precision cuts. Freud got mad at Jung thinking that he played some kind of a trick on him. The previous conversation was so wrought with emotion where Jung was trying to convince Freud and Freud was adament in refusing to believe in occult phenonenom that it was obvious the unconscious mind created the conditions where Freud could believe. But Freud stuck to his belief. This and other like events finally broke up the friendship.

This shows how the unconscious mind can interfere with outer events.

J. Banger said:

I wish I knew what dreams were really all about. Last night I had a vivid dream about Lucifer. He looked like the character from the movie LEGEND, an 80s movie starring Tom Cruise & Tim Curry. I was trying to rescue a few friends who were caught by security in this hotel/palace of some kind in Europe, Lucifer was having a gathering underground. I hope these dreams aren't dormant memories!

One time last year, my gf and I woke up and as she was getting out of the bed we 'both' heard a voice say, "Where do u think u are going?" She turned to me and said, "What did u say?" I told her that wasn't me but I heard it too. The voice was coming from in between us it sounded like, it was within 30 seconds of waking up so I figured it was just residual parts of a dream, but we both heard this voice. Can anyone tell me what this phenomenon was? It was real and I can't explain it away rationally.

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Permalink Reply by J. Banger on August 24, 2009 at 3:00pm

The voice we both heard was female. It did seem like a telepathic voice more than a regular audible one.

However, it could well be a spontaneous message from both your psyche's simultaneously. Are you soul mates? And is this what both your unconscious minds are asking simultaneously in this message if for some reason the two of you parted company???

Possible. We've parted ways since. I thought we were soul mates but she didn't feel the same I guess. We both had concerns of abandonment, but it doesn't make sense that it was conjoined subconscious minds here. It "felt" like a 3rd party asking this question. She thought I said it but after a few seconds she realized it wasn't my voice. My eyes were still closed as I was awake for about half a minute at this point, I suppose it could have been my subconscious that spoke it, but it was a female voice. I wasn't thinking about anything at the time, she was half way out of the bed when this voice spoke, she stopped and turned to me asking what I just said. I'm wondering if it was possibly pulled out of the dream realm.

We were both confused by this but I think we blew it off as too weird to explain, or try to. This phenomenon didn't cross the boundaries of our own belief systems, we know there's more out there than we're aware of, but this felt malevolent. The house and room this took place in is over 100 years old, and was approx. 1 mile from the Lizzy Borden murders. That house was in fact built by the Borden family in 1900. It definitely had a parasitic energy within it, I can't explain it but it wasn't "visibly" haunted.